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#16 cryptodan

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Posted 02 February 2022 - 10:32 AM

Good luck getting the sata and other things going.

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Posted 02 February 2022 - 12:18 PM

Consider the following:

 

PCI Sata Controller

PCI IDE atapi cd-rom Controller

Onboard realtek audio Driver

PCI NEC chip based usb 2.0 card and nuseb36 driver

PCI 10/100 Network Card



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Posted 02 February 2022 - 01:08 PM

Your am2 board will have an ide controller?

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Posted 02 February 2022 - 01:57 PM

Not one that win98 will like........No native driver support....too new.

So No On-board IDE.. Disable in bios

Once it's disabled.....no issue with (windows) 32 protected mode disk drivers.

I will provide windows with the appropriate drivers for the PCI ultra 100 card.....

 

Board has an n-force chipset....so I'm not sure the "ATA/dma/48bit-lba Patch" will work with it's onboard ide.

I want to avoid using any patches......except for the  1 gig sysyem.ini memory mod.

Patches can be accidently overwritten.



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Posted 02 February 2022 - 04:04 PM

That's if your chipset will work without drivers and the pci bus allows your pci cards work.

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Posted 02 February 2022 - 04:58 PM

Uh,..........All OS's.......MSDOS forward recognize the isa/pci bus.........that's pretty basic. Windows 98 even installs pci-e graphics with-out chipset drivers.WOW! I mean really?



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Posted 23 July 2022 - 05:25 PM

Posted 15 July 2022 - 10:15 PM

My Windows 98SE build is up and running. I needed an old computer to run DOS 6.2 and have a particular UART ie. "National Semiconductor 16450 or 16550, (universal asynchronous receiver/transmitter). In order to communicate via RS232 with a Servo2  CNC retrofit system for my Dad's old Milling Machine. While running the Mill it must be in a DOS only mode. The Widows 98SE is used to enable easier file handling Via both USB and Floppy drives. In order to enable the USB drive we had to load Nusb33.exe for the drivers (had help from my local computer store with that). Components are listed below.

 

Although it took a huge amount of time and effort and a bit of greenbacks to boot, but I finally got my 1960's era Exacto vertical Mill CNC retrofitted. From not even knowing such a retrofit system existed five years ago to actually having one working on my Dad's trusty old mill was quite a learning experience. Many thanks to my local Servo2 supplier in Largo Florida and of course Servo2 "Central" in Stockton Kansas who supplied me with scrounged up parts, repairs, documentation, software and knowledge.

 

So I got Windows 98SE to read floppies and USB drives flawlessly but the DOS 6.2 side has only gotten worst. Almost constantly refusing to read the same discs that 98 reads writes and formats reliably. I believe this has to do with files that did not load properly when I was installing DOS 6.2 on the freshly partitioned and formatted Hard Drive. Anybody know which DOS files would be most likely responsible for "Failure reading drive A:" errors to occur? Is it feasible to just copy those files  over to the DOS directory from the genuine DOS system install source disks? Any and all clues would be appreciated. Thanks. 

 

Followers of our site here of course chimed in with tips on dual booting and building my "Stand alone" DOS legacy machine to run this antiquated system.  I needed the dual boot ability to have some sort of "Modern" file handling system via USB drives and Windows Explorer. Windows 98SE modern?!? HeHaHeHa LOL. Oh well.

 

My system consists of an operational “Craig’s list build” I pieced together of:

 

Processor

Intel Celeron 2.93GHz

System Bus  533MHz

System Memory Speed 333

Cache Ram 256

 

Total Memory

1016 MB

Memory Bank 0                          512MB DDR333

Memory Ban1                             512MB DDR333

 

Bios Version SR84510A.46T.0012.P05

 

IDE Controller                                Both

Hard Disk Pre-Delay                      Disabled

Primary IDE Slave                         Not Detected (Greyed Out)

Secondary IDE Master                   IBM-DTTA-351680

Secondary IDE Slave                     IBM DJNA-371350

 

USB Configuration

 

High-Speed USB                            Enabled  (White)

Legacy USB Support                      Enabled

USB 2.0  Legacy  Support              Full speed

USB ZIP Emulation Type                Floppy

 

 

 

Microsoft Windows 98

Second Edition

4.10.222A

Registered to:

 

Andre

REG # 33@##$-OEM-007%^&-989*(

 

 

GenuineIntel

x86 Family 15 Model 3 Stepping 4

1013.0MB Ram

32-Bit virtual memory

 

Motherboard : says Intel two white stickers barcodes top one : 4000812

                                     bottom one :  AZSR43885331  AA C79794-102

 

 

Best Tec ATX - 250 -12E Power-supply

 

 

Sony DW-Q28A  DVD/CD

 

Now using  DOS Version 4.1.2222

Now has Microsoft  Windows 98 Second edition 4.10.222A

 

Drive A is using MS-DOS compatibility mode file system 

 

Samsung SyncMaster 152N Monitor

Dell Keyboard RT7D30    Purple “D” shaped plugin (PS2?)

LogiTech M—SBF96 mouse    Green “D” shaped plugin (PS2?)

 

 

You will notice it has two hard drives. I know that a machine can be dual booted on a single hard drive system through partitioning. I need to run DOS 6.2 on one partition and Windows 98SE on the other. Is it possible or desirable to Dual-boot  using the two drives or better to do it on one drive partitioned properly.

 

Thanks in advance for sharing your time and knowledge

 

LegacyCnC

 

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Although it took a huge amount of time and effort and a bit of greenbacks to boot, but I finally got my 1960's era Exacto vertical Mill CNC retrofitted. From not even knowing such a retrofit system existed five years ago to actually having one working on my Dad's trusty old mill was quite a learning experience. Many thanks to my local Servo2 supplier in Largo Florida and of course Servo2 "Central" in Stockton Kansas who supplied me with scrounged up parts, repairs, documentation, software and knowledge.

 

Followers of our site here of course chimed in with tips on dual booting and building my "Stand alone" DOS legacy machine to run this antiquated system.  I needed the dual boot ability to have some sort of "Modern" file handling system via USB drives and Windows Explorer. Windows 98SE modern?!? HeHaHeHa LOL. Oh well.



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Posted 24 July 2022 - 09:41 AM

Just a thought. Windows 98SE mainly uses FAT32 and DOS 7.1,  DOS 6.2 can only read FAT12 and FAT16 formatted disks and drives, not FAT32. 

 

Are your floppies formatted FAT32?



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Posted 24 July 2022 - 09:53 AM

Hey JohnC,

 

Thanks!! Might be just the thing I was looking for. I know I formatted the USB sticks in FAT 32. for better compatibility between My MacOS which I use on this type of communication (Forum Internet) which my  Windows 98SE will never be allowed to do. I will check the Floppies and see what they are formatted in. First have tp learn the DOS command to query that. I do have the OEM DOS 6.2 User's guide...

 

Hope you are right.

 

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Posted 24 July 2022 - 10:09 AM

@cryptodan was asking how the floppies were formatted in your other thread. Missed that thread. I posted here first. 



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Posted 24 July 2022 - 10:19 AM

The command is

fdisk -l I believe

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Posted 26 July 2022 - 06:49 AM

Thanks guys;

 

Did not try the Fdisk coomand / query yet. Could not figure out how to get the command to work if the system will not even read the floppies in DOS...Duhhh?!?! why don't I just switch over to the WIndows 98SE Boot and read the drive then click on properties while in Windows..

 

ok found out the floppies are FAT but does not say FAT 12 / 16 / 0r 32. but from what I undersyand the # associated with the FAT nomenclature refers to size and the size is 1,457,664 bytes 1.38 Mg

 saw somewhere where the size breakdown to FAT # is have to find it again.

 

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Posted 26 July 2022 - 07:17 AM

If you formatted the floppies in Windows 98 then I would have to think the file system would default to Fat32. 



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Posted 26 July 2022 - 09:46 PM

Read today that "DOS 1.0 and 2.0 used FAT12. The maximum possible size of a FAT12 filesystem (volume) was 8MB."

also further on "DOS 3.0 introduced FAT16" and finally, FAT32 was introduced in Windows 95 OSR 2. This makes me wonder why Windows 98 SE would have resorted to using a Floppy disk file system from a 1984 release of DOS 3.0.

 

So puzzling.

 

Also read in another source "For more information on using FDISK and other fixed-disk commands, refer to Chapter 3, Using Fixed Disks.

Option
/status - Displays an overview of the partition information for your hard disk(s), without starting the Fdisk program. (New with DOS Version 6.)

 

I believe that relates to "fixed discs" as in Hard Drives? maybe not floppies.

 

Think I may take a floppy into the WIndows side and try and use the format command with different /1 /4 /8 switches and see if The dos side can read, write, use any of them . 



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Posted 26 July 2022 - 09:53 PM

Fdisk is for all drives.

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