Building a new PC

Right.

TYVM PhilPower2.

Good.

A i7-13700k and DDR5 (that will be spec'd to the exact requirements as stated by Intel) is a start.

The first two parts lists were basically examples for ideas.

Now lets make a good final list.

xx60 or xx90 board?

Air or AIO for CPU cooler?

Nvidia card is going to be what one?

Once we get to the exact components, then we can have a proper parts list.

PHilPower2 will pick the PSU and hopefully check this list for correctness!

Then you will have your list made correct and properly.

thank you guys for your help. Appreciate your feedback 0lds0d.

This is where I need some help :

1) Motherboard

a) The Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite X Wifi7 Lga1700 Atx Motherboard is expensive in my country and will cost around $400 which is too high.$220)

The cheapest motherboard for my intel is

i) Asus Prime B760-Plus Lga1700 Atx Motherboard (PRIME-B760-PLUS) ($200)

ii) Msi B760 Gaming Plus Wifi Lga1700 Atx Motherboard (B760-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI) ($220)

iii) Gigabyte Z790 Ud Lga1700 Atx Motherboard (Z790 UD) ($253)

iv) Gigabyte B760 Aorus Elite Ax Lga1700 Atx Motherboard (B760-AORUS-ELITE-AX) ($255)

c) ATX should be preferred over MATX right ?

2) Graphics Card

a) Gigabyte Rtx 4070 Super Windforce Oc 12Gb Gaming Graphics Card (GV-N407SWF3OC-12GD)  ($735) - No option as I need a good GC

3) RAM

a) Corsair Vengeance 32Gb (16GbX2) Ddr5 6000Mhz CL36 the SPD Latency 40-40-40-77

GSkill Flare X5 32Gb (16Gbx2) Ddr5 6000Mhz the Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO)  30-38-38-96  [same price as above]

c) GSkill Trident Z5 Neo Rgb 32Gb (16Gbx2) Ddr5 6000Mhz has Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO) 30-36-36-96 [$20 extra]

Should I go for GSkill ?

4) Will go for Air cooler only. Please suggest a Air Cooler. The ones you suggested earlier were liquid.

5) Monitor

a) If I ever go for a 27" Monitor then will 1920x1080 resolution gives better display output than a 24" monitor of the same resolution or in case of 27" go for higher resolution.

Thank you

RAM should be  and is very recommended to stay within Intel's specs for the MT/s (MHzs).

Hence the speed for two cards is 5600 MT/s and for four cards it is 3200 MT/s.

So for two cards it should be no more than 5600 MT/s rated cards.

SEE the exact specifications here: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230500/intel-core-i713700k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html

Very important is consideration of the  RAM card's height clearance in relation to the CPU air cooler. The cooler must not contact or have a physical issue with the RAM cards.So best advice is get low profile RAM to ensure this problem will be avoided. Plus if the cooler does cover the RAM cards, then getting RGB on the RAM cards is useless as you will never truly  see the RGB hidden by the cooler. So skip the RGB option. And get plain a low profile RAM set.

The case and the CPU air cooler should be selected together as one - because the case will only allow for a certain maximum CPU height for clearance. Pick a case. along with selecting the cooler.

Ditto for the graphic card - will it have clearance as spec'd by the case and it inside? Same for the PSU - is the case an ITX, mATX or ATX form and will the selected PSU fit in as stated by the sizes per the case vendor?

As for selecting the motherboard - I will leave that open. I have my favorites and so do others, where each of us would give different opinions at what is better. 

If not using expansion cards and need only two NVMe slots (typical for mATX but not always) not more and perhaps a few less ports (USB for example), then the mATX is an option.

BUT more importantly the case size- trying to put an ATX into a mATX case will possibly not work out well, so the case consideration is important regarding the motherboard form.

A few things to consider for selection is the thickness of the board (more layers the better), the quality of the VRM, choosing either PCie 16x5 or PCIe 16x4 for the graphics card, number of ports and what type (USB for example), Thunderbolt if needed or not, quality of the audio, quality of the LAN, quality of the WiFi/BlueTooth, whether or not it has debug LEDs, does it have a BIOS install feature without an installed CPU, ease of resetting and restoring saved BIOS settings, number of fan headers and which type, number of RGB headers, is the motherboard software is nice to use or is it  clumsy, number of SATA ports, number of NVMe slots, does it look OK for the complete build, and a few other things I may have missed  ATM.

Edited by 0lds0d, 25 March 2024 - 01:17 PM.

RAM should be  and is very recommended to stay within Intel's specs for the MT/s (MHzs).

Hence the speed for two cards is 5600 MT/s and for four cards it is 3200 MT/s.

So for two cards it should be no more than 5600 MT/s rated cards.

SEE the exact specifications here: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/230500/intel-core-i713700k-processor-30m-cache-up-to-5-40-ghz/specifications.html

Very important is consideration of the  RAM card's height clearance in relation to the CPU air cooler. The cooler must not contact or have a physical issue with the RAM cards.So best advice is get low profile RAM to ensure this problem will be avoided. Plus if the cooler does cover the RAM cards, then getting RGB on the RAM cards is useless as you will never truly  see the RGB hidden by the cooler. So skip the RGB option. And get plain a low profile RAM set.

 

The case and the CPU air cooler should be selected together as one - because the case will only allow for a certain maximum CPU height for clearance. Pick a case. along with selecting the cooler.

Ditto for the graphic card - will it have clearance as spec'd by the case and it inside? Same for the PSU - is the case an ITX, mATX or ATX form and will the selected PSU fit in as stated by the sizes per the case vendor?

 

As for selecting the motherboard - I will leave that open. I have my favorites and so do others, where each of us would give different opinions at what is better. 

If not using expansion cards and need only two NVMe slots (typical for mATX but not always) not more and perhaps a few less ports (USB for example), then the mATX is an option.

BUT more importantly the case size- trying to put an ATX into a mATX case will possibly not work out well, so the case consideration is important regarding the motherboard form.

 

A few things to consider for selection is the thickness of the board (more layers the better), the quality of the VRM, choosing either PCie 16x5 or PCIe 16x4 for the graphics card, number of ports and what type (USB for example), Thunderbolt if needed or not, quality of the audio, quality of the LAN, quality of the WiFi/BlueTooth, whether or not it has debug LEDs, does it have a BIOS install feature without an installed CPU, ease of resetting and restoring saved BIOS settings, number of fan headers and which type, number of RGB headers, is the motherboard software is nice to use or is it  clumsy, number of SATA ports, number of NVMe slots, does it look OK for the complete build, and a few other things I may have missed  ATM.

Thank you for sharing.

RAM: I am going for intel 14700K. Therefore regarding RAM as I am going for DDR5, it has a min speed of 6000 mhz. In my previous post I only asked which RAM to go for as the difference was mainly in latency. However since you said "RAM should be  and is very recommended to stay within Intel's specs for the MT/s (MHzs).". I dont know among the choices I shared should I go for a particular one or not. All seemed okay but if you want to share a model please go ahead.

MB: I know everyone has their preferences but I am not too technical in this context. If can suggest one since you know my PC spects please advice. I already mentioned the budget in my last post.

PSU: Based on my the hardware I am finalizing please suggest a PSU.

Cooler: I know case size needs to looked into when choosing a cooler but what about cooler size. Each cooler has its own size.

Thank you

See https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/795648/experts-what-do-you-think-of-this-custom-pc-build-please/?p=5626727 regarding case. There are many other to choose.

Physically the graphics card, PSU and the CPU cooler must fit inside as per the case specified by the dimensions. A 165mm height CPU cooler will not fit inside a case spec'd for a maximum CPU height of 155mm for example. Same goes for the graphic card and the PSU.

TBH, I would avoid the Intel altogether and for best gaming CPU instead go with the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. It matches or beats  the Intel i9 in terms of gaming performance; draws a lot less power and runs a lot cooler then either the i7 or the i9 as well.

Same opinion for the Nvidia RTX 4070 Super. Instead, the Radeon RX 7800 GRE outperforms it (for fast FPS games) and is cheaper to purchase. The RX 7800 GRE has very recently got a newer driver and the performance now has increased up to 10% above it's previous performance, performing even better.

See https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/795648/experts-what-do-you-think-of-this-custom-pc-build-please/?p=5626727 regarding case. There are many other to choose.

Physically the graphics card, PSU and the CPU cooler must fit inside as per the case specified by the dimensions. A 165mm height CPU cooler will not fit inside a case spec'd for a maximum CPU height of 155mm for example. Same goes for the graphic card and the PSU.

 

TBH, I would avoid the Intel altogether and for best gaming CPU instead go with the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D. It matches or beats  the Intel i9 in terms of gaming performance; draws a lot less power and runs a lot cooler then either the i7 or the i9 as well.

Same opinion for the Nvidia RTX 4070 Super. Instead, the Radeon RX 7800 GRE outperforms it (for fast FPS games) and is cheaper to purchase. The RX 7800 GRE has very recently got a newer driver and the performance now has increased up to 10% above it's previous performance, performing even better.

I am actually an Intel fan and even though I dont want to elaborate why, I would prefer Intel & Nvidia over AMD.

However, I would be grateful if you can answer questions regarding MB, RAM & PSU which I asked in the last post.

Edited by greatchap, 26 March 2024 - 04:28 AM.

As for speed of the RAM, exceeding the speed as per Intel can easily run into issues. Stick with the speed stated by Intel.

Faster speed of the MT/s DDR5 RAM kits is basically marketing  trick or ploy for most gamers. (same for RGB, but that is another topic). And costs more making needlessly extra spending, and that money instead could be used some other components.

To show how the base 4800 MT/s DDR5 RAM does quite well compared to faster kits:

Also the following video (after this one) that is to play next does have merit and should be watched too.

Edited by 0lds0d, 26 March 2024 - 04:55 AM.

RAM: I am going for intel 14700K. Therefore regarding RAM as I am going for DDR5, it has a min speed of 6000 mhz. 

 

That information is so far off the mark, can I ask from where you got those figures, Intel say a max of DDR5 5600MT/s here and it is them that you should take notice of.

Any MB must be at least standard ATX size and for an Intel board you 100% want to go for the Z chipset.

Can I ask in which country will you be purchasing your components, no point us looking on US sites or where I am in the UK.

Thank You, PhilPower2 for backing this up.

All the hype of overclocking and paying more for the faster RAM traded  for the risk of future system problems is just that - marketing hype, high risk of system instability and unnecessary increased costs to the end user.

Edited by 0lds0d, 26 March 2024 - 06:18 AM.

You are welcome 0lds0d and fwiw enabling XMP does not amount to OCing but instead a minimum and a maximum setting as to what the hardware is capable of, one clue to me is when it says " tested speed, "  OCers don`t tend to use an air cooler atop of the CPU either and likewise AMD recommend liquid cooling for their high end CPUs such as the previously mentioned Ryzen 7 7800X3D.

XMP as you say is just a marketing ploy to make the end user think that they are getting something for nothing

Agreed!

And a liquid or AIO is better. A 240mm AIO at the minimum and a 360mm is better.

Intel says this about Thermal Solutions for their products: https://compatibleproducts.intel.com/ProductDetails?activeModule=Ecosystem%20Components&prdName=Thermal%20Solutions

Notice the liquid solution is most listed, and air is just listed a couple of times.

Edited by 0lds0d, 26 March 2024 - 07:25 AM.

Thank you PhillPower2 & 0olds0d. I live in India and you can use this links to build a custom PC : https://www.pcstudio.in/pc-build/

Basically I need to go for DDR5 RAM and based on the names I gave earlier do you guys say they are okay and if not please suggest one.

Regarding MB, if you say got for the Z chipset then the affordable ones are:

-Gigabyte Z790 Ud Lga1700 Atx

-Asus Prime Z790-P-CSM Lga1700 Atx

-Gigabyte Z790 Ud Ac (wi-fi) Lga1700 Atx

-Msi Pro Z790-P Wifi Lga1700 Atx

Beyond them it starts to get pricier. Please advice.

Can I do with an air cooler? And on the PSU front please suggest one.

The Gigabytes board are the same as each other than one doesn't have WiFi. If that matters. Go with the WiFi. Plus it uses the better Realtek for the WiFi and LAN, instead of Intel parts (I dislike as not as good IMO).

MSI Pro is probably OK. Tomahawk is better.

ASUS Prime is probably OK, but the TUF is better. No WiFi with the Prime?

Biased answer since I personally like Gigabyte.

As for air cooler it was suggested by Intel to use Noctua. Go with it.

But there be possible RAM card clearance issues so that means to buy low profile RAM not the higher cards or with RGB on the cards (any RGB will be hidden under the cooler and won't be seen anyways).

This is from Noctua regarding the cooler: https://ncc.noctua.at/cpus/model/INTEL-Core-i7-14700K-1760 for an Intel Core i7-14700K.

Personally I would go with something like the NHD-15 (cooler height is 165mm with fans and will have to use low profile RAM (max 32mm height)), but have a look at the links  listed in the page and go over these yourself.

Edited by 0lds0d, 26 March 2024 - 09:17 AM.